19 thoughts on “Amnesty International: “Legalize prostitution.” Internet: broken”
Elaine: Oh come on, George, please put it in a garage. I don't want to spend
an hour looking for a space.
George: I can't park in a garage.
Elaine: Why?
George: I don't know, I just can't. Nobody in my family can pay for parking,
it's a sickness. My father never paid for parking; my mother, my brother,
nobody. We can't do it.
Elaine: I'll pay for it.
George: You don't understand. A garage. I can't even pull in there. It's
like going to a prostitute. Why should I pay, when if I apply myself, maybe I
could get it for free?
I have never understood the quite hypocritical fuss about sex: paying for it, getting it for free, only giving it if you're taken out for a nice meal etc…
This is surely about ladies having control over their own bodies. And if men want to pay for it, then great.
I have to say that, in my experience, sex workers make the best tenants: they pay the rent on time, keep the place clean and tidy, and – in the right property – never cause any trouble or hassle for neighbours. They don't even know they're there… and the police operate an unofficial 'don't ask don't tell'. They know it goes on, but they'd rather it was in a nice quiet operation than out on the streets.
Anyway, just as with marijuana, if you legalise it, you can regulate it, it becomes a taxable product and thereby generates revenue, elevated out of the black economy.
In a properly-monitored industry, nobody's getting hurt. Just like with lesbians getting married, buying some weed, or paying for a professional fluffer to help with things in the bedroom, I DNGAF, it has zero effect on me one way or the other.
My Nevada home is in a county where prostitution is legalized. Some of the houses are well respected members of the business community, and the more proper ladies, such as the Red Hat Society, have tea socials in one of the brothels and congratulate each other for being so naughty. An added benefit to having such businesses in a small town, you get to see the ladies out and about, behaving like pretty much anyone else behaves. A fringe benefit to employment there is a gym membership, because who wants their fantasy grll to be overweight? I enjoyed working out with them in the gym we shared a membership in. Leave 'em alone, I say.
Eh, as a woman, I don't think commoditizing sex and making men think of women as something they can legally purchase — and politicians to think of it as a tax stream — is the greatest thing. In countries where it's legalized, underage girls are trafficked in just as high of numbers, and poor women are even more pressured to sell their bodies. I think it's easy to pretend "nobody's getting hurt", but that is total bullshit. Lots of people, mostly young women, are getting hurt, even when it's legal.
Oh, please, with this libertarian crap. They will still be beaten up and murdered. They are still an easy target even where it is legal, because men who think they should be entitled to purchase any woman's body are inclined to not respect women and think of them as objects. Legal or illegal, it's just a way to ease consciences about feeling entitled to sex with anyone you are richer than.
So, even with regulation and government oversight, workers will still be abused? But only when it comes to the sex industry, right?
All the sex workers I've known have been in fully in control. They're running a business. If you don't want a man to rub their thingy anywhere near you, nobody's forcing you to engage. Wow.
As I said, sex makes people go all weird and funny.
PS thanks for the 'L' word jibe. It's about time someone threw that at me. I won't reciprocate and chuck the 'C' word about, because I know how trite and silly that is. However, obviously this is a matter dear to your emotions and we'll agree to disagree over whether a particular industry ought to be regulated or not.
Funny how I'm the one who thinks it ought to be better regulated tho 😉
Pfft. And I know people who work with victims of sex trafficking, and they are horrified by Amnesty saying this.
You are coming at this from the angle of a purchaser. The fact that you are acting like it's bad to be empathetic about the idea of economically poor women being coerced into prostitution is bizarre to me, but not surprising. You clearly think that sex is a transaction and anyone who doesn't is a prude. You pretend it's a progressive attitude when it's actually quite literally medieval. Stop acting like this is some noble cause.
And, you can't be surprised to be called a libertarian when you post a link from Reason, FFS.
Fair enough, but we really don't need the teenage sound effects, if we're debating the subject like adults, do we?
And yes I'm a social libertarian, and yes the 'l' word is now used as much of an insult as 'communist' or 'anarchist' or whatever.
I'll take your comments on board, and we agree that the darker side of the sex industry is terribly exploitative for at-risk women, but what's your answer on how to deal with sex trafficking and those women being trapped in a dark economy with no recourse?
Peace out, in any case.
Do we really need the tone policing? No, we don't need that either. So very done with you.
Thanks for the exchange of viewpoints anyway. Obviously it's a matter close to your heart and I do respect that.
On the one hand, it's a complicated issue. On the other hand, I hate Lena Dunham. On the third hand, some of my best friends are women.
FWIW I really don't give a shit about Lena Dunham one way or the other- probably because I've successfully avoided having anything to do with her this whole time
Elaine: Oh come on, George, please put it in a garage. I don't want to spend
an hour looking for a space.
George: I can't park in a garage.
Elaine: Why?
George: I don't know, I just can't. Nobody in my family can pay for parking,
it's a sickness. My father never paid for parking; my mother, my brother,
nobody. We can't do it.
Elaine: I'll pay for it.
George: You don't understand. A garage. I can't even pull in there. It's
like going to a prostitute. Why should I pay, when if I apply myself, maybe I
could get it for free?
So if I solicit a nearby business, I can get validation for 30 free minutes with a prostitute?
Book four full sessions, get a free blow job!*
* terms and conditions may apply.
as long as it doesn't involve a lawnmower
It's not legal in Florida.
I have never understood the quite hypocritical fuss about sex: paying for it, getting it for free, only giving it if you're taken out for a nice meal etc…
This is surely about ladies having control over their own bodies. And if men want to pay for it, then great.
I have to say that, in my experience, sex workers make the best tenants: they pay the rent on time, keep the place clean and tidy, and – in the right property – never cause any trouble or hassle for neighbours. They don't even know they're there… and the police operate an unofficial 'don't ask don't tell'. They know it goes on, but they'd rather it was in a nice quiet operation than out on the streets.
Anyway, just as with marijuana, if you legalise it, you can regulate it, it becomes a taxable product and thereby generates revenue, elevated out of the black economy.
In a properly-monitored industry, nobody's getting hurt. Just like with lesbians getting married, buying some weed, or paying for a professional fluffer to help with things in the bedroom, I DNGAF, it has zero effect on me one way or the other.
My Nevada home is in a county where prostitution is legalized. Some of the houses are well respected members of the business community, and the more proper ladies, such as the Red Hat Society, have tea socials in one of the brothels and congratulate each other for being so naughty. An added benefit to having such businesses in a small town, you get to see the ladies out and about, behaving like pretty much anyone else behaves. A fringe benefit to employment there is a gym membership, because who wants their fantasy grll to be overweight? I enjoyed working out with them in the gym we shared a membership in. Leave 'em alone, I say.
Eh, as a woman, I don't think commoditizing sex and making men think of women as something they can legally purchase — and politicians to think of it as a tax stream — is the greatest thing. In countries where it's legalized, underage girls are trafficked in just as high of numbers, and poor women are even more pressured to sell their bodies. I think it's easy to pretend "nobody's getting hurt", but that is total bullshit. Lots of people, mostly young women, are getting hurt, even when it's legal.
I know, sex workers were so much safer back in the day, when they had no legal recourse, were regularly beaten up and even murdered and, oh wait…. 😉
Oh, please, with this libertarian crap. They will still be beaten up and murdered. They are still an easy target even where it is legal, because men who think they should be entitled to purchase any woman's body are inclined to not respect women and think of them as objects. Legal or illegal, it's just a way to ease consciences about feeling entitled to sex with anyone you are richer than.
So, even with regulation and government oversight, workers will still be abused? But only when it comes to the sex industry, right?
All the sex workers I've known have been in fully in control. They're running a business. If you don't want a man to rub their thingy anywhere near you, nobody's forcing you to engage. Wow.
As I said, sex makes people go all weird and funny.
PS thanks for the 'L' word jibe. It's about time someone threw that at me. I won't reciprocate and chuck the 'C' word about, because I know how trite and silly that is.
However, obviously this is a matter dear to your emotions and we'll agree to disagree over whether a particular industry ought to be regulated or not.
Funny how I'm the one who thinks it ought to be better regulated tho 😉
Pfft. And I know people who work with victims of sex trafficking, and they are horrified by Amnesty saying this.
You are coming at this from the angle of a purchaser. The fact that you are acting like it's bad to be empathetic about the idea of economically poor women being coerced into prostitution is bizarre to me, but not surprising. You clearly think that sex is a transaction and anyone who doesn't is a prude. You pretend it's a progressive attitude when it's actually quite literally medieval. Stop acting like this is some noble cause.
And, you can't be surprised to be called a libertarian when you post a link from Reason, FFS.
Fair enough, but we really don't need the teenage sound effects, if we're debating the subject like adults, do we?
And yes I'm a social libertarian, and yes the 'l' word is now used as much of an insult as 'communist' or 'anarchist' or whatever.
I'll take your comments on board, and we agree that the darker side of the sex industry is terribly exploitative for at-risk women, but what's your answer on how to deal with sex trafficking and those women being trapped in a dark economy with no recourse?
Peace out, in any case.
Do we really need the tone policing? No, we don't need that either. So very done with you.
Thanks for the exchange of viewpoints anyway. Obviously it's a matter close to your heart and I do respect that.
On the one hand, it's a complicated issue. On the other hand, I hate Lena Dunham. On the third hand, some of my best friends are women.
FWIW I really don't give a shit about Lena Dunham one way or the other- probably because I've successfully avoided having anything to do with her this whole time
Wonkville: broken
My work here is done.
Bravo!