KRUGMAN: I think the point is we actually know extremely well what to do. We know exactly what is needed and the problem is the people — the ideology that Grover is giving here is what stands in the way. The fact that you’ll have complete rigid adherence to that ideology, which has failed again and again and again, but nothing has changed, nothing has been learned from experience.

NORQUIST: Look at Reagan and Obama, and Reagan created more jobs and Reagan…

KRUGMAN: They’ve got to go back 35 years to a completely different situation. We had Bush, got all this stuff, none of it delivered. And it’s kind of an amazing thing how Bush has become a nonperson.

NORQUIST: Well, no, but he is a significant spending increases in the last two years of his administration. Democrats did the budgets, not Republicans, so you’re looking at a number of challenges and he didn’t have a supply side approach to economics the way Trump is looking at.

(cough) Those spending increases were driven by the Iraq war, which was under his control (cough)

KRUGMAN: Trump is completely incoherent on economic policy. I mean, you can find him on any given day supporting almost anything.

Well, he said he wanted to — maybe he wanted to raise taxes on the rich, then he said he wanted to cut them. I mean, to actually try to suss out what Trump means, god knows.

Zing!