211 thoughts on “Not much of a VP debate without Uncle Joe”

        1. Poor Onion is gonna miss Ol' Handsome. Kaine has his own charms, but Tim riding around in a bitchin' Camero trying to score a little recreational herb from the neighborhood stoner teens is less believable.

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          1. They'll come up with something, I'm sure.

            Do the Frenchies get our "Onion" type of humor? (I am literally heading out the door so I will have to read response later)

          2. Well, I'm no big expert on French humor, but from what I can tell, they do enjoy satire masquerading as news, although it's not quite the same. A very popular TV show, that you may be familiar with, is Les Guignols. It consists of short skits mocking current events, using puppets modeled after politicians and other famous characters: http://www.dailymotion.com/lesguignols

            And of course, you have likely heard of Charlie Hebdo, which frequently goes head-hunting for establishment figures, can be very tasteless indeed, and I think not as clever.

            Oh, and yes, Onion has settled on an early "theme" for Kaine. Seems like the are going with "big, childlike goofball" so far: http://www.theonion.com/article/tim-kaine-found-r… and http://www.clickhole.com/article/campaign-setback…

            <img src="http://i.imgur.com/o5LgwEC.jpg"&gt;

          4. "The page you were seeking burned down.

            The Cambodian sweatshop where every letter of The Onion is hand-stitched onto the internet recently burned to the ground, claiming the lives of hundreds of underage laborers and webpages. The URL you were looking for was tragically among those lost."

  4. Already had to nix MSNBC, what with their "both sides are equal" team coverage, with libtards outnumbered about 2 to 1. C-SPAN FTW, again.

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  11. After Cheney and Lieberman had their debate in 2000, several supposedly thoughtful people with access to print media expressed regret that the veep candidates couldn't be the presidential candidates.

    Well, they got half of what they wanted.

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  32. Nate Silver 9:28 PM

    I’m watching the CNN livestream with the little squiggly lines from a focus group of “undecided Virginia voters.” Almost no matter what the candidates have said so far, they’re flatter than a curling rink in Manitoba.

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  39. Pence: "If Trump had said the things you said he said I said, he wouldn't have said the things you said I said he said!"

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  42. Pence is talking about building a 2000+ mile impenetrable barrier, creating an unprecedented Police State in America to find, collect and deport humans. Phillip K. Dick would have written the hell out of this.

    The Trump In The High Castle

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      1. But wait, there's more! (Greene=interviewer. Eager=Mormon mom, discussing how "dangerous" Muslims are.)

        GREENE: I saw a few studies that suggested that the majority of mass killings in the United States are carried out by white men and not by Muslims. Does that – does that put your fears at ease at all?

        EAGAR: No because I don't believe it.

        OK then!

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      1. The sun kisses the morning skies.
        The birds kiss the butterflies.
        The dew kisses the morning grass.
        Class? Class!? Class – WAKE UP!

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  61. Pence: "something something Aleppo…"

    Gary Johnson, watching the debate in a suburban Albuquerque Best Buy because he can't afford a tv or a laptop and his phone is pay-as-you-go and data is crazy expensive: "Who?"

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  63. 'Weak and feckless?"
    Do you think Foreign leaders don't see the Republican House and Senate who can't keep the government running, fight the elected President tooth and nail, don't believe in science and are obsessed with destroying their domestic political enemies at all costs?
    Do you think that CSPAN stops at the water's edge?

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  68. Oh, and BTW: Vladimir Putin hates Hillary Clinton, because she shamed him publicly, saying she know how to handle him because she's had to deal with a lot of angry toddlers in her time.
    That's a position of strength. Putin Loves Trump because he's transparent and so easily manipulated.

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  73. The last 15 minutes has had both sides interrupting about equally. Looks like it's evening out a bit as it goes on.

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  79. Um. The Clinton Foundation actually did good things The Trump – Foundation – whatever the hell that is- bought 6 foot tall Trump paintings, autographed sportsball helmets, laundered funds, acted as a slush fund, made illegal political donations, and that's what we know now.

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    2. I don't like Cain. Can't help it, I just don't. He's smart and capable and facile, but no likable.

      Pence is off the scale, but I don't want to like him and don't care what he says.

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  81. Farai Chideya 10:22 PM
    Trump’s Taxes Keep Coming Up

    The topic of Trump’s taxes seems like a Pokemon — sometimes with a nudge from Kaine, it can pop up anywhere in this debate.

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  99. @amyewalter

    after this debate, can we put to bed the CW of earlier that voters would be "Happy to have the top of the ticket switch places w/ VP?"

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  113. CBS focus group: Pence dominated
    CNN focus group: Kaine won (in Virginia, to be fair)
    Both: nobody seems to change their mind

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  114. I dunno, he got Pence to do a lot of 'he {Trump] never said that ', when he really did say that. Maybe that was the intent. Also, how much of TK interruption was real time fact check? Isn't that what some media were saying the candidates needed to do rather than the moderators?

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  117. Rumors abound that RNC is trying to figure a way to get Pence at the Head of the GOP ticket.
    [ spread across the internet as you wish ]

    Lotta ,"Pence helped himself, but what did he do for Trump.."

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  118. I just got home and I haven't read everyone's comments yet. But I was stuck in traffic and so I inadvertently listened to the whole darn thing in the car. With no visuals, two things struck me:

    1) Two olds who sound very much alike in tone and demeanor. It was really hard to tell who was who. I'm still confused – does Uncle Tim support Trump, or was that the other guy?

    2) They crosstalked so much that I couldn't understand what either was saying most of the time. Really they both should think of the stuck-in-traffic vote. (Also too, Uncle Tim, stop interrupting so much – you're supposed to be the good guy!)

    So I don't know if that was everyone's else's impression, but that's how it sounded in radioland.

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    1. I didn't hear a bit of it- too busy working to tune in. From what I gather, Pence lied his ass off, but did a good job of it so the pundits will fellate him. Kaine lost style points but won on substance (WTF, seriously?) Donnie will likely lose his mind in the next few hours as it dawns on him that Pence threw him under the bus in order to start positioning himself for 2020.

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      1. Were you doing a gig tonight?

        I didn't think about that re Pence positioning himself for 2020. That makes sense re him sounding so relatively reasonable.

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        1. Actually, installing a new digital console at a local club and cleaning/repairing/overhauling their sound system. I had to hang around through the first few songs of the regular Tuesday band because everyone had that deer in headlights look about the new gear and likely would have hurt themselves without adult supervision.

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          1. And I'm guessing that they were all trying to look cool and as if they totally knew how to use it, etc… 😉

          2. lol, no they knew better- they were terrified. But I'm actually a pretty good teacher and believe it or not, patient enough to keep them out of trouble (that's why I end up here so often, drinking heavily and mouthing off- I've usually been saving it up all day)

          7. lol, you have no idea. My next show is with a radical anti abortion group- the kind that makes people like us want to toss hand grenades at them

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